Rosenberg:
Mr. President, Washington was never very comfortable working with
your predecessor, Franjo Tudjman. You referred to the Tudjman era as
having left Croatia a "looted and impoverished country." How
can you convince Washington that Croatia is on the right track and that
now is the time for the United States to embrace it?
President
Mesic: First of all its a fact that we left the former
Yugoslavia and thereby we left not only a state community, but also
the socialist system. By leaving Yugoslavia we also opted and decided
for a democratic system and for a European Croatia.
President Tudjman
also said that he was for a democratic Croatia, however its easy
to say that you are for democracy. Its likewise easy to say that
you support the promotion of democratic processes. But on the other
hand the establishment of a true democratic system- this is the real
essence of the job involved. This is particularly hard for us because
we have not familiarized ourselves completely with democracy.
There was a lag
in democratic development during President Tudjmans rule. He did
not appreciate the European trends. He didnt understand democracy.
He didnt understand history. Europe was uniting and he failed
to understand this fact. He didnt understand the benefits that
all the countries in a united Europe enjoyed through such an association.
Now the Croatian
policies have changed. We looked to European integration. We have left
this period of isolation for the country. We are promoting democratic
processes and establishing democratic institutions in the country.
Rosenberg:
The Bush Administration, early on, said that it wanted to
scale-back militarily in this region. Can stability be achieved using
diplomatic, political, and economic methods?
President
Mesic: Of course for us it would be best if all the political
issues were also dealt with by political means- by negotiations in other
words. I think that for the responsible forces in Macedonia it would
be very important to grasp it- to understand the messages, to learn
and draw from the experience other parts of the former Yugoslavia. Because
all the outstanding issues in Macedonia can be negotiated and can be
settled in line with a democratic procedure. No issue there can be resolved
by the force of arms.
We are indeed interested
in a political solution to the problem. However the international community
will have to be present there for at least some time to come. If anything
not to encourage anyone that the problem can be solved by means other
than peaceful means.
We were the victims
of Milosevics aggression. Just as Bosnia-Herzegovina was. But
even after the vast number of casualties and the great scope of destruction
we all remained within the same borders. Which means that war, in order
to expand ones borders, is simply meaningless. Senseless. Especially,
if our common strategic goal is accession to the European Union, because
the borders in the European Union will be open. The same financial and
economic rules will apply to everyone. Rules decided through a democratic
procedure. Through European mechanisms.
Every nation, whether
large or small, will continue to live within its own culture and environment.
Therefore it will be irrelevant whether an Italian or a Frenchman lived
on this or that side of the border. The same then goes true for Hungarians,
for Croatians, for Serbs, for Albanians. This, I believe, is the way
out for both us and for Europe. I say also that its a way out
the way for the future for the world because Europe then excludes war
as a possible means for settling any issues.
I believe that
a united Europe can also help the United States, Japan and China, because
it is only economic competition that can promote new technologies. I
believe that Europe still can offer a lot in this regard. So we must
turn to the future, not the rear view mirror.
Rosenberg:
Discuss the importance of getting into NATO. What
are Croatias chances of gaining entry at this point in time?
President
Mesic: Along with one of our strategic goals, accession to
the European Union, the second strategic goal is membership in NATO.
This will guarantee security for everyone in Europe, and therefore Croatia
included. Our military could then be used within the scope of NATO actions
and I believe that the defense expenditures [for Croatia] would also
be considerably lower than it is at present. We would have the same
standards in our armed forces, greater security and lower cost. This
is important for countries undergoing transition.
Rosenberg:
Where do we stand in terms of the bilateral relations between the US
and Croatia today?
President
Mesic: I think that over the past ten years our political
relations with the United States have always been good and friendly.
There was a delay during President Tudjmans rule. But that was
a consequence of his policies in respect to Bosnia-Herzegovina as well
as isolationist policy with respect to Europe.
Now I say that
our relations are exceptionally good.
We have had no
ambitions whatsoever of dictating or having an impact on global processes.
We are just one percent of Europe. But we must coordinate our interests
with Europe and the United States. I think we are succeeding in the
effort.
Rosenberg:
It appears that both Zagreb and Croatia are something of a jumping off
point for Southeast Europe. Would you agree?
President
Mesic: Considering its position, Croatia can also be the
generator of development for the entire area and region.
Croatias
potentials are great. This means both economic and human resources and
potentials. Being a Mediterranean country we can also be a gateway to
other countries in this part of Europe. But we have to confirm the maturity
of our democracy. We must provide and facilitate the return of all our
citizens.
Me must ensure
the freedom of the media and the civil rights of all our citizens. We
must also provide for the democratic functions of all the institutions.
Rosenberg:
Do you sense that your nation is moving in the right direction for attaining
these goals?
President
Mesic: Yes. These are precisely some of the things we are
focusing on. Once Croatia is identified as such it will generate the
development for the entire region.
It is in Croatias
interest to enter into the European Union along the regatta model, the
racing model- who ever gets there first- not on the basis of a convoy
concept. Who ever complies with the standards first- becomes a member
the soonest. According to the convoy concept - you always depend on
the slowest member of the convoy.
We would like to
be the first in this regatta.